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Cassidy Hutchinson testifies on Jan. 6 warnings, pardon requests, and Trump lunging at steering wheel demanding to go to Capitol - CBS News
Jun 29, 2022 11 mins, 16 secs

Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, offered explosive testimony Tuesday that former President Trump wanted to get to the Capitol on Jan.

After Giuliani left the White House campus, Hutchinson said she did ask Meadows about Jan.

6,'" Meadows told Hutchinson, she recalled.

Entering the dining room at the White House, Hutchinson observed a valet changing the tablecloth.

Hutchinson then grabbed a towel to assist and recalled the valet told her about Trump, "he's really ticked off about this.

Raskin said the committee will continue to investigate possible witness tampering, after the texts Cheney presented that appeared to be intimidating witnesses. .

At the conclusion of the hearing, Cheney praised Hutchinson for appearing before the panel and discussing what she witnessed in the White House in the lead up to and on Jan.

One person told the panel they received phone calls: "What they said to me is, as long as I continue to be a team player, they know that I'm on the team, I'm doing the right thing, I'm protecting who I need to protect, you know, I'll continue to stay in good graces in Trump World.

"Most Americans know that attempting to influence witnesses to testify untruthfully presents very serious concerns," Cheney said in closing, noting the committee will be discussing how to proceed.

Hutchinson dictated a statement from Meadows and White House lawyer Eric Herschmann about the violence at the U.S.

But after Meadows visited Trump in the dining room outside the Oval Office, Hutchinson recalled that Meadows said they didn't need to take further action regarding the statement.

Hutchinson said then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reached out to Meadows about the discussions on the 25th Amendment to put it on his radar.

7, Hutchinson told the committee in a taped interview the former president didn't feel he needed to say anything further, but was convinced to do so by Ivanka Trump, Meadows, Jared Kushner, Cipollone, Hershmann and Pat Philbin, then-deputy counsel.

An original draft of the speech included Trump's desire to issue pardons for those who breached the Capitol building, Hutchinson said, and the former president wanted his remarks to reflect "His mindset at the time, which was he didn't think they did anything wrong, the people who did something wrong that day, or the person who did something wrong that day was Mike Pence by not standing with him.".

Hutchinson said she did hear that it was under consideration that Trump mention potential pardons for those involved in the Jan.

White House aide, testifies that former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and lawyer Rudy Giuliani sought presidential pardons for their efforts surrounding January 6 after the assault on the U.S.

Hutchinson described how she felt that day, as she heard from Meadows that the president thought rioters chanting "Hang Mike Pence" weren't doing anything wrong, and as the president did nothing to stop the violence. .

Another White House staffer, Matt Pottinger, testified according to recorded video, decided to resign after Trump tweeted that Pence should have had more courage. .

Hutchinson said Meadows was sitting on the couch on his cell phone, and told her he hadn't talked to Trump about the developments because "he wants to be alone right now." .

She said Cipollone told Meadows that the rioters had gotten to the Capitol and they needed to see Trump immediately — but said Meadows responded, "He doesn't want to do anything, Pat." .

Hutchinson told the panel that Trump asked Meadows to speak with Roger Stone and Michael Flynn, his former national security council, on Jan.

Meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with Secret Service on a movement from the White House to the Willard Hotel so he could attend the meeting, or meetings with Mr.

Sarah Matthews, a deputy press secretary in the Trump White House who worked alongside Hutchinson, defended her character and testimony in a Twitter thread.

"'He told me, that she heard from him, that she heard, from another guy, that she said he told her that she heard, that Trump may have said something, which was overheard, by her, about something, to the best of my knowledge.' -Cassidy Hutchinson," the committee tweeted, obviously not quoting Hutchinson, to disparage Hutchinson's testimony. .

Hutchinson recalled how angry Trump was after then-Attorney General Bill Barr told the Associated Press in an interview after the 2020 election that there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Entering the dining room at the White House, Hutchinson said a valet was changing the table cloth and motioned toward the fireplace mantle and television.

Hutchinson then grabbed a towel to assist and recalled the valet told her about Trump, "he's really ticked off about this.

Asked by Cheney whether it was the only instance where the former president threw dishes, Hutchinson said it was not, and there were "several times" where Trump also flipped the tablecloth to send the contents of the table to the floor.

Barr, too, told the committee of what he experienced when he met with Trump after the interview and offered his resignation to the president6

Hutchinson testified that when she returned to the White House, Ornato told her that Trump had a "very strong, very angry response" when he was told he could not go to the Capitol after his speech. .

Hutchinson said she was told by Ornato, in a room with the head of Trump's security detail Robert Engel, that the president became "irate" when he was told in his vehicle that he could not go to the Capitol.

When told he had to return to the West Wing, Trump reached up to the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel, prompting Engel to grab his arm, Hutchinson said she was told by Ornato. .

Hutchinson, who was in the tent behind the rally stage while Trump delivered his remarks, recalled receiving a call from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy angrily asking why the former president wanted to go down to the U.S.

Hutchinson testified that she was aware of concerns from White House counsel Pat Cipollone and others in the White House counsel's office about language Trump wanted in his speech at the Ellipse. .

"There were many discussions the morning of the 6th about the rhetoric of the speech that day," Hutchinson said, adding that White House lawyer Eric Herschmann said they would be "foolish" to include much of the language Trump wanted in the speech.

The language, Hutchinson recalled, was to the effect of, "Fight for Trump.

But Cipollone, Hutchinson recalled, said that would be a mistake. .

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone urged her not to let President Trump go to the Capitol on Jan.

The committee played testimony from other former White House aides, including former Trump assistant Nick Luna, recalling Trump's desire to potentially accompany the rally attendees to the Capitol.

But Hutchinson recalled that Meadows did not seem engaged in the discussion and was looking at his phone, asking Ornato only if he had spoken to the president, to which Ornato said he had.

In a text exchange obtained by the committee between Hutchinson and Ornato while Trump was at the rally before the Capitol assault, she said Trump was "f**king furious" that the area designated for the rally was not at full capacity.

Hutchinson said she was in the "vicinity of a conversation," in which she overheard Trump say "something to the effect of, 'I don't effing care that they have weapons.

"President Trump was aware that a number of the individuals in the crowd had weapons and were wearing body armor," Cheney said, after which she played a clip of Trump during his speech at the Ellipse urging his supporters to walk down to the Capitol.

Both Secret Service and White House aides knew security at the Capitol was not sufficient, Cheney continued.

Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe felt that fighting the results of the 2020 presidential election "wasn't something that the White House should be pursuing," Hutchinson recalled. .

Cheney said the select committee has learned that people who entered the rally where the president spoke at the Ellipse had to be screened, while others were able to watch from outside the magnetometers.

Thompson swore Hutchinson in and began his questioning, first showing photos that demonstrated her background working for Republicans on Capitol Hill and then in the White House.

In her work with Meadows, Hutchinson said she was in contact with the chief of staff "throughout every day, consistently.".

Hutchinson said she recalled a meeting at the White House on the evening of Jan

As Hutchinson was escorting Giuliani from the White House, she recalled him saying, "Cass, are you excited for the 6th

After Giuliani left the White House campus, Hutchinson said she did ask Meadows about Jan

6," Meadows told Hutchinson, she recalled

Cheney said the committee will also examine evidence of what Trump and other White House staff members knew about the prospect of violence before it occurred. 

The committee, Thompson said, will hold additional hearings about how the former president summoned his supporters to Washington, egged them on to enter the Capitol and failed to take meaningful action

But the committee has obtained new information since then about what was happening in the White House, Thompson said. 

Vice Chair Liz Cheney went over Hutchinson's experience, saying she worked feet from the Oval Office and closely with former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. 

Court documents filed in Meadows' challenge to the subpoena from the select committee indicate Hutchinson has answered questions from investigators at least twice — on Feb

In a partial transcript of the February interview, Hutchinson said Anthony Ornato, a senior Secret Service official who was detailed to the White House and served as deputy chief of operations, brought Meadows intelligence reports that "indicated that there could be violence on the 6th," but she was not sure what he did with the information internally. 

Hutchinson also told the panel about a phone call Meadows and Rudy Giuliani conducted with members of the House Freedom Caucus, a group of conservative lawmakers that he co-founded and once chaired while in Congress, during which Rep

During the February interview, Hutchinson recalled discussions about Vice President Mike Pence rejecting state electoral votes first began around the end of November and early December, when Meadows held meetings with campaign officials — Giuliani, Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellis — and some Republicans in Congress — Perry and Reps

Hutchinson also told the committee about Trump's movements after the rally on the Ellipse on Jan

In the March interview with the committee, Hutchinson told investigators she heard the White House counsel's office say the plan to have alternate electors meet and cast votes for Trump in states he lost was not legally sound

Pat Cipollone, the White House counsel warned about the legality of the fake-electors scheme in a meeting with Meadows, Giuliani and his "associates" in a meeting that took place around early- to mid-December, she said

Hutchinson was also inclined to say that Pat Philbin, deputy counsel to the president, was also warning Meadows about this, but she wasn't sure

She said the White House counsel's office also raised issues with the lawfulness of the alternate electors plan in meetings with members of Congress, also in early- to mid-December

In addition to saying the plan to have alternate electors meet and vote for Trump was not legally sound, the White House counsel's office also said the strategy pushed by John Eastman, a conservative lawyer, to have Pence count the fake electoral votes was not legally sound, Hutchinson said

According to the partial transcript from her March interview, Hutchinson said Meadows was "frequently" in touch with Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department lawyer who supported efforts to challenge the election results

She recalled Clark attending meetings with Giuliani and visited the White House for meetings with Trump

Capitol will hold a last-minute hearing Tuesday to "present recently obtained evidence and receive witness testimony." Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson is set to testify

Hutchinson told the committee that five Republican members of Congress sought "preemptive pardons" from Trump for their participation in a Dec

In video testimony, former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann, said of Clark that "best I can tell, the only thing you know about environmental and elections challenges is they both start with 'E.'"   

The committee sought to bring to light the severity of the threat to democracy in the days and weeks after the election, given the enormous and persistent pressure by the president and by Rudy Giuliani on officials and ordinary Americans to promote the "big lie" that Trump had won the election

The testimony made clear that Pence and his closest aides repeatedly told Trump and his allies that a theory pushed by conservative lawyer John Eastman, who argued the vice president should single-handedly reject or replace slates of electors, had no basis in the Constitution or federal law. 

6 committee focused its second public hearing on those closest to former President Donald Trump who said they told him it was too premature to declare victory on election night in 2020 — and how Trump used his premature declaration of victory to push baseless claims that the election was stolen

The committee showed video testimony from top officials in the Trump administration who said former Vice President Mike Pence and White House were aware there was no evidence to support Trump's claims of voter fraud

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